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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.16 07:44:00 - [1] I've always used Speer 230gr. Gold Dots in my .45, but I have been carrying my 327 Performance Center .357 mag. a bit lately and have been using some Winchester Ranger Bonded for that and I just picked up some Federal HST 147gr. for my new Kahr PM9. I've been thinking of trying some CorBon DPX for the 9mm and the .357. Anyone use that solid copper stuff? What else do people use these days? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.16 18:07:00 - [2] I don't have "a" gun. I have numerous firearms. All I see in this thread for the most part are a bunch of hoplophobes. Freud once said "fear of guns is a sign of sexual and emotional immaturity." I quite agree. If you're too much of a loser to own a gun or you are sexually r3tarded and think that no one should own a gun because they're 'too dangerous' then stay out of my thread. I'm simply interested in what types of ammunition people prefer to use to kill other people in order to defend themselves. \o/ -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 01:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Abrazzar Guns for self defense are pretty useless when it is expected that you are armed. You will be the second one to draw, you will be the second one to shoot, you will be the first one to die. Unless you also wear a bulletproof vest (and hat and pants) you are at a severe disadvantage when having to react to a armed assault. Criminals attack unarmed targets, not armed targets. If they're worried that you might be armed, they go find someone who isn't. Your logic is a complete failure. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 04:34:00 - [4] I have to say, I'm always tickled at the overwhelming outpouring of negativity towards firearms by those who play this game. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 07:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Abrazzar Guns for self defense are pretty useless when it is expected that you are armed. You will be the second one to draw, you will be the second one to shoot, you will be the first one to die. Unless you also wear a bulletproof vest (and hat and pants) you are at a severe disadvantage when having to react to a armed assault. Criminals attack unarmed targets, not armed targets. If they're worried that you might be armed, they go find someone who isn't. Your logic is a complete failure. Right, because a hidden firearm is so obvious to see by every criminal. Like, they first search the house they plan to break in before breaking in to check if the owner has a firearm. They simply assume you are armed (in a society where a majority is armed, not unreasonable) and act accordingly. Your logic completely fails in the face of reality. Criminals go after the low risk targets first. Clearly, if removing guns solves the problem then places like Chicago would have the lowest murder rates in the US instead of the highest like they do now? But I digress. Yet again the anti-gun losers that play Eve have to get into a thread about firearms and whine about how they don't like guns. If you don't like it, don't discuss what the thread is about. The thread is about high performance ammunition designed for incapacitating and killing people. I'm asking the forum goers what is their brand of choice and why. I'm curious as to what other people like to use. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.17 09:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 17/02/2010 09:06:16 I'm afraid I can't say I truly have any ammo designed primarily to kill people. All I've got is a Savage Model 93G(L) bolt-action rifle chambered for .22 WMR (aka .22 magnum) and some CCI Maxi-Mag .22 WMR Total Metal Jacket ammo. Since, so far, all I've used it for is target shooting, I haven't had any need to get hollow points or anything along those lines. That said, if I manage to get a house like I'm hoping, I'm definitely going to pick up a handgun for home defense, and at that point will look into ammunition designed to shoot other human beings. All of that said, the firearm I really want to pick up is the Panther LRT-SASS from DPMS. I'd be looking at getting the Armalite version...except that it costs $1000 more and, IIRC, doesn't offer much of a performance boost. Besides, I'm not even sure if I'll be able to scrounge together the money for the DPMS rifle at any point in the near future. I love the .22 WMR with a 40gr. TMJ for Coyotes. Less pelt damage. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Alchemist Zemont I have always wondered how this 'protect our home' rule works, lets say someone breaks into your house what do you do pull out a gun and shoot him in the face? But then isnt the message "when in danger, shoot first ask questions later" here? Also how would you determine when to use a gun, what situation is it best to, or is it as simple as "If they are on my property and I dont want them here I will shoot" When it comes to hunting why is it ok to shoot an adult couger but not a baby bobcat? When it comes to hunting why arent grenade or explosives used? Say the government did invade your home because of the swineflu nwo twin tower bush monkey aids mind control socialist agenda, what exactly would be able todo? If you're in the United States, the 'rules' vary widely depending on what state you live in. How it works where I live: we have what we call the 'castle doctrine', and this applies to your person whether or not you're outside your house or not. It basically means that you have the right to remain where you are and aren't required to try and flee before using deadly force to defend your life or the life of another person. Deadly force is authorized if you are in fear of your life or someone else's. How you articulate this is open for interpretation. If someone is in my home then indeed I'm 'in fear for my life' and will apply deadly force as required until the threat is stopped. Interpret that how you will. The same rules apply if you're in your vehicle or on foot. The difference between the three situations is primarily the physical boundary provided by the vehicle or structure that makes it a little easier to define when someone has made an intentional move to press the assault and when they have not. As for your local laws and regulations, they may be very different. If you live in say, California or Illinois then you're pretty much screwed when it comes to defending yourself. Or the UK, or Japan, or Australia... lol. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Kijo Rikki I very rarely hear about the guy who shot an invader in his home, but I hear almost on a weekly basis if not darned near daily the guy who turned his gun on his spouse. I hear about people who defend themselves and save the lives of others all the time. It's just that most people aren't smart enough to do any reading beyond what the major news agencies put in their laps. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Linkage Let me guess, this doesn't matter because it's the mainstream liberal media trying to keep us down? Yeah, where I live Mexicans are a big problem as well. Very big. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 02:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Oh ok. I guess gun crime is fine as long as it's "not in MY backyard!". It's not 'gun crime'. Lol. "Gun crime" is some term they dreamed up in the UK. Along with "knife crime" (once they banned guns) and now "club crime" since they're banning all pointy knives. It's crime perpetrated by drug cartels. The fact that the guns are coming from the US only means that it's easier to get them from here than from South America or somewhere else. All that tells me is that our border isn't secure. If it's hard enough to acquire guns from the US, they'll look elsewhere. All of a sudden, it's not our fault they're killing each other if they're not using our guns to do it, right? It isn't our fault they're killing each other, or with guns from the US. They're simply criminals. Banning guns in the US won't change the end result. Only an idiot would think so. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:07:00 - [11] Personally, I think that pot should be legal. It's no worse than cigs or beer. It's not *****. But I digress. This thread is about carry ammunition. But the losers on the internet can't seem to get that through their thick skulls. I just tried some Corbon DPX today and it worked out great. Dropped a 98 pound Javelina with two rounds to the chest. About 12" penetration and both bullets retained about 98% of their weight. Range was about 15 yards. You never know what you'll run into when you're out hiking. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 03:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Bellum Eternus Personally, I think that pot should be legal. It's no worse than cigs or beer. It's not *****. But I digress. This thread is about carry ammunition. But the losers on the internet can't seem to get that through their thick skulls. I just tried some Corbon DPX today and it worked out great. Dropped a 98 pound Javelina with two rounds to the chest. About 12" penetration and both bullets retained about 98% of their weight. Range was about 15 yards. You never know what you'll run into when you're out hiking. did you eat it? them things look tasty! Most of the javelina/boar in the western US are feral and as such their meat is poisonous to eat. I butchered it to find the bullets but the meat was literally green from the interstitial mucus content. Otherwise I'd have BBQed it. Wild boar tend to be a little stringy however. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Bellum Eternus Most of the javelina/boar in the western US are feral and as such their meat is poisonous to eat. I butchered it to find the bullets but the meat was literally green from the interstitial mucus content. Otherwise I'd have BBQed it. Wild boar tend to be a little stringy however. Holy ***, you really are a survivalist psychopath. Do you live in a shack in the woods? Do you have floorplans for federal government buildings? I actually LOLed. I'm curious, how would the above make you think that I'm a 'survivalist psychopath', and what does being a survivalist have to do with being a psychopath, or vise versa? Knowing not to eat green meat is hardly being a survivalist. It's like those crazy icelanders over there who don't eat green shark meat (not that the shark meat is green, but that it's from the green shark) because it's acidic and poisonous so they have to ferment it first. That makes them survivalists? Or psychopaths? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi The part that tipped me off was the gun ownership, and hatred of the federal government. Also shooting an animal and butchering it to retrive the ammunition. Where are you getting this 'hatred of the federal government'? And as far as shooting the Javelina, it continued to approach me after I moved down the trail I was hiking on twice. I shot it because it was probably going to try and chew on my leg. They do eat meat FYI. They kill dogs and cats around here all the time. As for 'retrieving the ammo', I'm always interested in recovering projectiles to examine their performance on a particular target. I was a medic in the military for six years as well as doing multiple engineering projects concerning small arms ammunition, so I have a professional interest as well as a personal one. You sound like you're a psychopath to me. You clearly have an irrational fear of weapons and are extremely neurotic and an unstable sociopath since you clearly assume that anyone except yourself is unsafe and can't be trusted. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 04:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Bellum Eternus You sound like you're a psychopath to me. You clearly have an irrational fear of weapons and are extremely neurotic and an unstable sociopath since you clearly assume that anyone except yourself is unsafe and can't be trusted. Says the guy who carries a pistol with him in public. Do you have a fire extinguisher at your home? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.18 17:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Food also doesn't come from people killing animals that they know to be inedible. Outside of feeding yourself, food doesn't come from hunting at all. But please, continue to try and justify owning a weapon. http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.19 01:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2010 01:41:57 Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: Achbar Noir The privledged few are really scared of me and the millions like me in my country. The "privilidged few" keep you so terrified of each other that you feel the need to carry guns in public. Now ur just trollin.. Oh wait a sec. Bellum? Is that you? edit: or is it arvald.. Ohh... OUCH Zeba! Ouch! LOL! -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.19 02:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Higgs Bison Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:37:00 Edited by: Higgs Bison on 19/02/2010 02:36:30 Originally by: Zeba So even though we might have twice the rate of another country that rate is so low that it has almost zero effect on your daily life as the average citizen will never be a victim of violent gun crime and only ever see it on the news. Serious question: If that rate is so low, then why do you feel the need to carry a gun for protection? edited because I'm terrible at bb tags Do you have a fire extinguisher in your residence? -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.02.19 04:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Higgs Bison This link indicates that there were 1.5 million fires in 2008. This link says there were 16.204 murders. Again, a serious question (since the last 3 pages have been trolling), at what rate do you feel it necessary to be prepared? Since the incidence of fires is obviously much higher than murders, is there a threshold for assaults or murders below which you would feel safe without a gun? edit again: There is really no way I could word this without it sounding like baiting . I'm genuinely curious because I live in a country that has completely contrary views on guns compared to America. The issue, as I see it, is that people like yourselves apply some sort of difference or stigma towards firearms in comparison to something more mundane like a hammer or a wrench, or indeed, a fire extinguisher. Any of them can be a weapon or a tool depending on how they're implemented by the person wielding them. Have you ever personally had a fire where you needed a fire extinguisher and didn't have one? If that ever happens to you, you'll never be without one again. The odds of being attacked by another person are higher than that of being struck by lightning, but I don't sit out in the middle of a field during a lightning storm just because it's not likely to happen. It's not fear that drives most people to carry a weapon. It's common sense. The funny part is that most people who wouldn't consider carrying a weapon usually come close to being assaulted and don't even know it because they don't recognize it when they see it. It's similar to how people who have never used drugs or never been drunk don't recognize people who are on the stuff and being subtle about it. Most people are simply too ignorant to see it. So to answer your question, at what rate do I feel it necessary to be prepared? If the risk is greater than zero, it's a problem. and for the record, I've been assaulted by criminals more than once in my life, and not for lack of trying to maintain a safe environment. Few countries are as large as the United States. Most of our states are larger than a lot of countries in the world. The murder rate per person IMO isn't a linear thing with respect to population centers and population density. Further, I think that simple statistics without context are meaningless anyway. I know far more people who's lives have been protected due to firearms than those who have been harmed. Firearms are like anything else- cars, knives, golf clubs. Anyone who is incompetent or malevolent can turn any of them into a lethal instrument. It depends entirely on the person, not the object. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships

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